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Let me see... a .177" pellet from the airguns shown above works out to a bit less than 4.5 mm. One of these .177" pellets weigh in at about 8 grains. This tiny firearm shooting a 2.34 mm projectile at 440 fps would really be dangerous! I'm sure you could launch a paperclip from a rubber band and do more damage than what this curio would.

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Thanks for breaking the numbers down, and showing how ridiculous this story really is!

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So you wouldn't mind if I shot you in the eye with it, as someone kindly did to me with a BB gun 11 years ago - leaving me blind and partially brain damaged.

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Tony, I'm sorry to hear about your injury but I don't see how that changes my analysis of this story. It is still quite an exaggeration to say that this tiny weapon is "as dangerous as a machine gun" and all the other silly claims. I can quite reasonably say that I don't think a pencil should be controlled as a dangerous weapon but that doesn't mean I would want someone to jam one of those into my eye either.

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I, too, scoffed when I saw the hype over this toy. Nice number crunch. As for Tony, the partial brain damage is quite apparent, I would have to say.

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great, it looks like keychain. thanks for sharing.

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David, a pencil is intended to make marks on paper. A gun is intended to fire a projectile into a target, in most cases with the intention of injuring or killing it. Using the 'a pencil could be a deadly weapon' analogy is very weak and quite frankly getting quite tiresome from over use amongst the gun-totting community.

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Tony,

Just because a pencil is not designed to injure does not change the fact that it is probably more dangerous that this tiny gun that has less velocity than many BB guns. Ok, forget pencil - use a common folding knive instead. Do you remember what weapon the 9/11 hijackers used to subdue entire passenger jets full of passengers? What is really tiresome is the sensational and exaggerated stories spread by the anti-gun community. Come on, even you, who I assume is an anti-gun type based on your "gun totting" generalization, can admit that this tiny rimfire gun is not "as dangerous as a machine gun". That statement alone is so ridiculous I don't see how anyone on any side of this debate can defend it.

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This is a novelty item. Anyone willing to pay the $5000+ for this gun is probally not the sort to commit crimes. Anyone who purchases the item in question will most likely keep it in a display to show his buddies.

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Really, I'd rather spend my money on a pistol I could actually shoot. I'd be afraid of loosing this thing in the couch cushions. Could you image the excitement when someone 'found' it there by accident?

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Had to post a few thoughts. I disagree with the notion that "A gun is intended to fire a projectile into a target, in most cases with the intention of injuring or killing it," as Tony stated earlier. Thats quite a vilifying statement. Especially in reference to air guns, which I think might very well have been intended for inanimate target shooting. I could be wrong though. But they were definitely not created for killing humans. However, after thinking about it, i can see where the thought comes from. In its purest purpose, probalby the reason for which its original designer made it, was probably to indeed fire a projectile into a target, and given human history and nature, probalby to injure or kill it, either for military superiority, or food. But in this day and age, many people fire projectiles into targets for the simple satisfaction of hitting their target. If this is seen as not a good enough reason, or use of guns to override its potential to kill or harm, I think of various other objects I see in daily life, used for sport or more neccessary tasks. To name a few: bows and arrows, yo-yo's (if this seems random look into its history, im sure it will show up somewhere online), boomerangs, knives (of any sort, from butter to butterfly), clubs (like baseball and cricket bats), hammers, pointy sticks (like tent stakes), and large hiking sticks, a ball thrown with the hand, etc. All have the capability to maim or kill, yet I would venture to say most of us interact with some of these items daily, without much worry or harm. Not to mention much more dangerous fancy things like cars, sink garabage disposals, meat factories (no offense) and stairs. Guns do what they do, and yes, there is a degree of risk involved with them because fast moving things can be caused to fly out from them by the user. So do noses when their owner sneezes, with millions dead due to various pathogens yearly. Off topic? Silly? That's true, it is. I quite agree. The same goes for, in this case, what I am assuming to be an air gun. (on a sidenote, I wonder if they've actually tested this claim that it could be lethal to a human. I can believe it can injure, but have a hard time accepting that such a small, light projectile could penetrate the liquid filled eye to reach vital areas of the brain.) Of the countless things that are "capable of killing someone" quicker than a very fast moving something-the-size-of-the-lead-from-a-#2pencil, why are we so quick to point the finger at guns as inherently dangerous and evil? Once a friend of mine threw a nail at another guy, and it stuck into his cheek. If it had hit him in the eye, he probably would be partially blind too. If the bb had struck tony in the cheek, he would have proably walked away mostly ok. I, on the other hand, was never hit by nails or bb's in the eye, but yet due to genetics and perhaps just my environment, cant see more than an inch or so in front of my nose without corrective lenses. But crap happens, and all we can do is to count our blessings. I am thankful to still be able to see some. I hope you are too, tony, because many are less fortunate than we. The bb may have been the direct cause of injury, but it could've just as easily been a nail, a carelessly thrown stone, a bird that sucks at flying, or even a tile falling from a freeway overpass as your car speeds under (crazy story, but basically my 12th grade english teacher lost her nose like that. fortunately she got some pretty darned good plastic surgery and we coudl barely tell after)
As a society we need to be careful where we can, and take responsibility for what we should instead of using inanimate objects as scapegoats for problems that come up in life.

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lol@ tony haywater for getting shot in eye and being blinded.

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This item is clearly a novelty indeed. It is cheaper by far, even here in New Zealand, to procure a firearm or other deadly weapon. Equally clearly it is not as dangerous as other firearms, especially the laughable claim that it is similar in danger to a machine gun. That is assuming that the media has used the term "machine gun" to broadly categorize anything from sub-machineguns to assault rifles to actual machine guns as I know of them.

I don't think that anyone would like to be shot in the face with this novelty pistol and I don't believe anyone is claiming that it wouldn't hurt or be potentially harmful; only that the media hyperbole regarding it is silly.


Also, I feel the need to express my disgust at "LoL at Tony" for deciding to lower the tone of the comments here with his insulting post.

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i have had the chance use this weapon before and i will say a few things about it

1. it is very hard to aim, this means it is not nearly as dangerous as an automatic machinegun.

2. while the round is small it is dangerous, it can punch through a target very well and could (in theory) kill a small animal. after all, the wildcat cartridge comes in 2.5 mm and is used for this.

3. i do not think however it could kill a person IN MOST CASES. it could possibly kill a young child, or if it struck the throat or a major artery at close range.

4. it would cause very serious damage however if it hit a soft organ such as an eye. i agree with Edward that it probably could not go through the eye, it could penetrate it and cause blindness, and at close range, possibly brain damage.

please note that i have not tested these theories nor will i due to my lack of an extra 6 grand or so. these are merely ideas based on how the gun felt when i shot it off at a gun show early this year. the media hype about this gun is mostly BS as is most media hype

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I have a flashlight, that shoots out millions of deadly photons. It could "set a man on fire"
Keys can go straight through bone, killing people instantly.
Shoes, hard rubber souls crush bones with ease.
Pens stab straight into people filling them with toxic chemicals.

I will eventually concealed carry, a real gun. I carry knives, not because I am a bloodthirsty killer, because I use them, and in the worst situation, it might save my life. I hope I never have to injure someone. Media is stupid. everyone go by a gun, you will feel safer, I guarantee it.

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this is by far the most interesting and maybe ridiculous thing i have seen all day.

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I'm tired of guns being the "horrible invention" people claim they are. How many of us drive a car on a regular basis? According to the CDC you are more likely to die in an automobile accident (1 in 84 chance) than a firearm assault (1 in 314 chance). In fact, you are more likely to commit suicide (including firearm assisted suicide, at a 1 in 119 chance) than be killed by firearms in the hands of someone else. We ought to limit the sales of cars and make our drivers tests far more intensive in order to be safe. So firearms aren't as dangerous as your day to day driving, just think about that for a moment, you'll probably get in your car later and drive somewhere anyways.

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Let me ask everyone this, how many people do you know that have been killed by a gun? How many have been killed by a minature gun? And how many people do you know that have died in an automobile accident? Lets get back to reality and realize what is dangerous and what is media hype.

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What do you mean by "[i]Even[/i] Fox News had this ridiculous video (link) on this gun. "
Remove the "Even." Fox news is the definition of biased ridiculous media. I don't even watch that crap anymore, it just makes me mad/sad to know that some people eat it up like it was orally-defecated gold-plated Cheney turds.

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People, please! Yes, there is a point to the whole "OMFG! Guns are for hurting people and innocent woodland creatures!" argument. There are people out there who are dreadfully irresponsible. However, guns are tools. Police use guns to stop bad people. Corrupt police use guns to stop innocent people. Hunters use guns to kill animals for food. Trophy hunters use guns to kill animals to hang on their walls. Responsible private citizens keep guns to go out to shooting ranges or to protect themselves. Irresponsible private citizens use the world as their shooting range and use guns to commit crimes.

Guns are inanimate objects powered by chain chemical and mechanical reactions. By themselves, they are not lethal. People are the deciding factor. I believe that people as a whole need to be taught gun safety and shown examples of what guns can do to delicate flesh and bone. Instead of decrying guns as "bad", try to teach people the difference between right and wrong.

As to this gun, it is a collector's item, and even if it is at some level "deadly", whoever decides to wield it as a serious weapon is liable to get it smacked out of their hand. and then be beaten by someone "responsible".

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"What do you mean by "[i]Even[/i] Fox News had this ridiculous video (link) on this gun. ""

Probably that Fox is far and away the most conservative news station. Thus, one would assume, the most likely to be pro-gun.

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"A gun is intended to fire a projectile into a target, in most cases with the intention of injuring or killing it."

Tony, you're an idiot.
I've fired tens of thousands of rounds through firearms of various calibers from .22 all the way up to .45-70. The only thing I've killed are paper targets, tin cans, bottles and other things that bounce or explode in some interesting way when you shoot at them.

If, "in most cases," those projectiles were intended to kill something, I'd have wiped out the populations of a few small towns.

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zeb,

I'm willing to bet that more bullets are fired "with the intention of injuring or killing" by the by all the military / police in the world - be it in actual conflict or training, than are fire by individuals like yourself shooting at paper targets purely for fun.

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I'm willing to take that bet tony. I live in Arizona and go target shooting all the time. There is no way there are "more bullets fired" by military/police than of the local populations vacationing after the gun show.


M

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I call BS on the lethality of this gun. It's not only the speed of the projectile but also it's mass that needs to be taken into consideration. In the article, it states that the rounds fired are 2.34mm bullets. I am making an assumption about scale here, but an average 9mm bullet has a mass of 6 grams, so a 2.34mm bullet would have a mass of about 1.56 grams or 0.00156 kilograms.

As stated in the article, the speed of the bullet is 440 feet per second which is about 132 meters per second. Now that we have the mass of the bullet and the speed, it is a simple matter of determining the amount of kinetic energy the bullet would have.

KE = 1/2 * M * V * V = 1/2 * (.00156) * (132) * (132) = 13.59 Joules.

This is enough to penetrate the skin, but as for lethality I several doubt it could match that of a machine gun.

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i agree with mook, there is no way that military and police forces shoot more than the average target shooter. do you know anyone who shoots competition? they shoot hundreds of rounds a day in practice. id be willing to venture that the average target shooter just having fun with a .22 could go through a whole brick in 2 hours or so, and thats a few hundred right there.

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Come on already!

It's a key chain cap gun for crying out loud.

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Tony,

Your last statement showed your ignorance on this subject. You should quit while you are behind.

There are thousands of people around the world that shoot thousands of rounds every year training for competitions. In addition, I don't think you can count rounds fired by military or LEO during training as fired with "the intent of injuring or killing". They train so that if they are faced with a life-threatening situation, they will be able to go home to their families when it is over. I'll bet you could ask any of them and they prefer that they never had to fire their weapons with the intent of injuring or killing. With that said, I would imagine that 99.99999999% of rounds fired are not intended to injure/kill anyone.

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I call lurker on Tony "One-Eye" BB gun hater.

I say this to illustrate your argument, as much loathing as can be heaped upon someone for drawing attention to your disability, We have for your anti-Gun sentiment.

Question, did you/your parents go after the child/their parents for the unsupervised use of the weapon??? Or was it your weapon and you were unsupervised???

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. For thousands of years before the "discovery" of Black Powder 500 years ago. See Thermopylae, Gaugamela, Agincourt.

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I'll say it again: "....be it in actual conflict or training, than are fired by individuals like yourself shooting at paper targets purely for fun." Military and police don't fire at paper targets all day so that when the moment comes, they can impress the assailant / enemy with what a good shot they are.

How many soldiers / armed police are there in the world? I reckon a fair few more than your gun club enthusiasts.

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Tony,

Why do you keep coming back here - what point are you trying to prove? To respond to your last post consider that most estimates place the number of US households that have at least one gun at about 39% to 50% (thats about 43-55 million households). The estimates for the number of privately owned guns range from 190 million to 300 million. The current active duty military of the US is about 1.5 million and the total number of police officers are around 600,000. Guess you should do a little Google research before you post ridiculous statements like the one above.

What kind of police state do you want to live in where the cops and military outnumber the citizens? And is this your idea of a better society than one where the citizens are allowed to own guns?

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Don't forget you're dealing with Brits with that article. They probably think the Daisy BB guns and small pocketknife ARE horrifyingly dangerous, and are pretty wary of the Number 2 pencil too.

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i have the pumpmaster 760 and the daisy 880

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Oh please publisCA... the highest quality firearms historically have been made in europe, especially germany and england ...soooo...what u meant to say was in fact "Don't forget you're dealing with A TABLOID ARTICLE."
remember that this gun is banned in the US... whereas because of its low energy, it is not even considered a firearm in many countries in Europe...one could quite legally carry it around as a key chain...
WRT claims that this gun can pierce the eyes and skin: the energy of the bullet is less than 1 joule, which is ridiculously low...it would be very hard to pierce the eye and almost impossible to break the skin - and forget airguns...even airsoft guns (plastic BBs) can cause more damage...
so stop being typical americans and addressing this gun as a firearm; rather, appreciate the intricate detail and craftsmanship that goes into making such a perfect scale model...it is a collectors item and nothing more...

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this is by far the most interestng and maybe ridiculou thing i have seen all day.

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Most of us gun-nuts don't have $5,200 to drop on one pistol, let alone a novelty which is essentially useless. That is the last weapon a criminal is likely to favor.

So, does anyone make a shoulder holster for it?

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LOL it's so small!!

It's a SMURF GUN !!!

Cheers.

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Thanks for the great reference post.

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It looks like a keychain, not a gun.

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Tony if I was a criminal you would be a perfect target, half blind, and partial brain damage, you are a prime candidate to be in a robbery, or assaulted, you also appear to be very vocal about your views on guns, If I was you I wouldn't tell anyone that I didn't have or liked guns. Because police don't show up until the crime has been committed, and your neighbor with the .45 1911 pistol might not shoot your assailant in respect of your views about gun ownership.

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Tony... Let me tell you this... its a good thing for you that there are men and women like us that protect your right to speak your mind!! Im sure in your mind that you want some make believe socialist society where we all have to look to the government to protect ourselves from criminals... you do ahead and dial 9-1-1... in the mean time i will be dialing 3-5-7 then 9-1-1 to clean up the mess.

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Hmm...not sure what to say..but I'd say this is great..but it looks like a keychain.. :D

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Hmm...not sure what to say..but I'd say this is great..but it looks like a keychain.. :D

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Hmm...not sure what to say..but I'd say this is great..but it looks like a keychain.. :D

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Jesus Christ people stop crying about a keychain. Guns are guns, and like stated in about 20 recent posts, people kill people not guns and you would have to be blind or have no knowledge of how guns really work to ever classify this "toy" as a gun. Sorry that somebody shot you in your eye Tony, honestly as humans so eagerly do, i don't doubt that its probably a lie. The fact that anybody would spend between $6,000 and $60,000 on a toy is degrading and personaly i am ashamed that a human, with the knowledge and ability that we have, could possibly be foolish enough to waste money on this thing... Drop the subject, humans are too stuborn and selfish to take responsibilty with thier money, or dangerous weapons... go play a videogame or somethin and stop wasting time arguing about whether this thing is a gun or not.

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Tony,

Fuck you.

Love, Jim